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alejandro thank you so much for joining

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me once again on somewhere in the skies

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my pleasure i always love it yeah man

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it's always an honor having you here and

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we know that when you're on the show

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it's got to have

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something to do with the ufo congress

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and i'm so

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excited for this i just registered over

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on the site so i can't wait for this but

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before we even talk

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about the ufo congress running september

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9th through the 13th

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i have to get your opinions on this

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because you're like at the forefront

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of uh getting this out to the media and

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um you've spoken to a lot of the

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individuals involved with this sort of

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thing

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but the uh uap task force this is the

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wanted to get your opinions on this

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um maybe if you want to run us through

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what this is a little bit

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uh we a lot of our listeners probably

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know by now but for those who are

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new to everything going on with the

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pentagon

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and naval intelligence um what is the

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task force and what do you think is

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going to come of all this

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all right i think that uh you know it's

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something i've been examining very

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i'm mostly looking at kind of the

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perspective

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you know the the senate who intelligence

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who's asked for information um from the

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military on uaps

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and uh kind of trying to understand i

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wrote a piece on you know how the dod

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has been changing their story

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but trying to get a feel for for where

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this is all headed

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and i think that ufo the ufo community

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uh is in for a a pretty big

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disappointment for the most part

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and i think that there's a lot of

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misperception

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out there so essentially you know we

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when it comes to mixed messages where

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did this uap task force come from

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researcher he's been communicating with

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susan goh who's one of the press

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uh who has been sending out some of

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these weird messages

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but more recently he asked specifically

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is this uh why on august 4th did you

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this and what she said is because

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the topic uh he asked specifically if

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program that lua elizondo

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hopefully more specific information

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about that will come out and the reason

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drones and i think that's a much bigger

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than uh to the military and this topic

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what are the major threats and kind of

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what uh has transpired around the

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is that the the chris mellon so

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used to work for ssci that the

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intelligence committee and everything

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melon is kind of the guy who engineered

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all this i mean it was a plan

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to come out with elizondo uh to

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demonstrate that the government indeed

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has investigated ufos and taken it

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seriously

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to get them on the record once they're

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on the record saying that

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you then can go to the senate and say

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look here's evidence

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they're they're looking into it and that

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gives the senate the

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ability to say hey you say you've been

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looking into uaps yet you're supposed to

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us on everything you're doing you've

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never told us about this now we want to

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hear more

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um so that's what uh

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that's how this all came about but chris

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and we've heard this from the dod their

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major concern

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is the blind spot so this ufo taboo

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that's been created means that they

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paying attention to a lot of things they

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mufon investigator as a field

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this was a guy who just got back from

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iraq he saw an

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object he you know he's used to

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uh you know raising an alarm when when

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they see something that could be

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potentially dangerous or

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uh a safety concerns nobody wanted to

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they should be

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uh you know paying attention to that

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invoke the word ufo then they don't want

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chris has been making is that

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look these could be chinese these could

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be russian if they are

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we're in big trouble another piece that

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uh you know was this report about the

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the drone incursions

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over nuclear uh facilities right right

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and supposedly there's been like 50

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investigations only

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five of which have been resolved that's

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i mean if any of those objects had

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weapons on them

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real world um more tangible

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sort of issues um and then

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interested the unidentifieds what about

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those what about the truly anomalous

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like the nimitz situation which

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the navy has insisted that is an

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unidentified we don't know what it is we

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don't think it's chinese or russian

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roger gassel asked about that

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specifically to susan go and essentially

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she uh said that would be classified any

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investigation we do in that

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development of kind of an

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opaque uh or a transparent group

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do their work in the classified realm

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now chris mellon

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marco rubio and the senate intelligence

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committee would ask for a public facing

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grounded and realize this because

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oh this is the beginning of them telling

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about us about roswell

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and area 51 and aliens in a hangar

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it's absolutely none of that in fact

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it may be a blue book too but a much

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secretive blue book than the original so

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and so through that we can try to

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uh information available and hopefully

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data that is shared with uh scientists

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to study this but i don't think that's a

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major priority whatsoever

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i i would imagine the military will

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looking at the silver lining what we

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have achieved and i think this is what's

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what uh maybe a lot of people in this

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don't appreciate or aren't as excited

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that the military takes ufo seriously

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investigating them just like a lot of us

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that in in washington you have people in

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the pentagon in the halls of pentagon

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more openly talking about uaps and and

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we have media

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which i think is slower to catch up but

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we have a lot of media

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some media talking about it we've got

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some mainstream media people

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but we also have uh some media outlets

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relying on people who have already been

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researching this topic to

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kind of write articles and share

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information so i think that shift

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that change where you how can our ufos

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are now legit

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that is something we need to foster

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it is a big step that could lead to more

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but that's going to be i think about all

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we're going to get out of this

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um and unless we really focus on

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uh i think more people focus on trying

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to support this legitimate

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kind of uh view of the topic

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you know that could slide through our

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fingers as well absolutely man and i

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think you made some really good points

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in that

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uh this could be our disclosure this

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could be it and right

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that's okay like that's the fact that

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the u.s government who's denied this

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topic for so long

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is admitting yeah ufos are real that's

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huge

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no the you know the tougher questions

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arise who are they what do they

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want where do they come from but we

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might not figure those things out

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ever ever ever but look like you said

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i think it's great that there's

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passionate ufo people out there

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advocating

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contacting their local officials and

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government

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and uh like you said putting the

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pressure on them whether it's through

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the media

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or uh you know through twitter or

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bombarding

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these people and departments with uh you

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know

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tell us the truth uh that could work it

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might scare them away

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as it often does from broaching this

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topic

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too but um i think you're right i think

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this is a good thing no matter what

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it could be all we get is what we have

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now but

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who knows we live in uncertain times

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right and we're at a stage where you

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know if we look at the scientific

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exploration uh or the the i'm sorry

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the search for extraterrestrial

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intelligence

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institute the seti institute and those

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people

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and how they made that they changed the

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public opinion

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from seeing it as a fringe sort of thing

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to now a mainstream thing where

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nasa it's mostly what they're doing now

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we need to

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continue to pay attention to

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and research just like seti did so we do

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need to foster you know more of these

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mainstream more these scientists

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looking at it talking about it hopefully

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you know more

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organizations or institutes will start

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to have projects

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looking at it that's what we have to

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foster and grow

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in order i think to get to where a lot

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of people would like to get

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um i would like to get where there is

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more resources put towards

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uh investigation because when you

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mentioned you know

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now who who are they what are they we're

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still in this realm

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where we've got to legitimize or at

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least to demonstrate

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that uh some of these that some of these

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things

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are not foreign technology i think that

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the media is certainly in a place where

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like well they could be

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because they're not techies they're not

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listening and hearing you know these jet

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fighter pilots and the technical reasons

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as to why these objects are exhibiting

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technology that cannot be ours

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and we need to really delve into that

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and

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really examine that to the degree where

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people understand

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wow there's more to this even than

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possibly some extraordinary

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chinese and russian technology and to

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give rubio credit

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you know he's i'm i'm not necessarily a

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fan of everything that marco rubio does

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but

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that statement that he made you know

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that hey i would rather these be from

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elsewhere because if they're chinese or

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russian that's really scary

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i think that's a good perspective

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because then it makes us really

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scrutinize

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are these chinese or russian and we

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really need to scrutinize that

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to determine but again you know when it

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comes to the military they're in a tough

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spot

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because as let's say they do know that

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their chinese are russian

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they're not going to want to tip their

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hand and let the chinese know that we

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know they got this

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so uh it's really complicated it is

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it's complex it's complicated everyone

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is in this for their own reasons when it

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comes when

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we're talking politics or military uh

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narratives everything so i think you're

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right yeah i think we just have to

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take it one day at a time see what

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happens but uh

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alejandra you mentioned there's more to

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all this and i think that's really

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important

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to focus on is you've got to the stars

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academy you've got the things going on

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in government and uh those are just one

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aspect of this entire ufo

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mystery in question and uh that's no

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more true than with

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the ufo congress so sort of pivoting

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here

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i have to talk to you about some of

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these speakers you guys have this year

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because it's probably one of the best

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lineups i've seen

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in a really long time to be honest and

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uh yeah the owner

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uh karen uh she pivoted you guys pivoted

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to what a lot of conferences

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are doing you know in these uncertain

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times and that's a virtual conference so

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i was wondering can you tell us a little

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about how the congress

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is running virtually this year yeah and

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this

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is a uh definitely a plea to or a

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recommendation to get your tickets early

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because

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what's really cool about it is that uh

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karen was able to find this tool

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that creates this kind of virtual

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environment

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where you go in there and it's kind of

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like a forum

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a community tab where you can discuss on

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a lot of different topics

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there's also another tab for exhibitors

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so the vendors kind of a virtual vendor

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room where you could look at this list

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of vendors and

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see information about their products and

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then they can also post videos

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about their products and they can do

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like live conference calls

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like they could say hey come join me at

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1pm tomorrow and i'm gonna do a

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live you know demonstration of my stuff

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so

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people are doing these virtual meetups

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to face to face over like zooming or

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or other conference call products to to

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see each other

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so it's this kind of entire world it's

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this community that's

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built and that's what's fun because if

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you jump if you get your tickets you get

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access to this community and you can get

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in there and start to talk with other

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attendees

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start to talk and interact with the

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vendors

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even the speakers you can send them

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messages

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and that's the beauty of it because a

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lot of times people don't have access to

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these speakers but through this tool

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you can ask them questions and they

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might not get back to you real soon but

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certainly during the event they'll be

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getting back to people quite a bit

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so it creates this community which is

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really cool before we even get to the

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presentations

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so it's a really cool tool um she

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it was a difficult situation because i

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like everybody we're waiting for things

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to

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open up people are thinking they're

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going to open up

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in arizona especially they um i would

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argue they weren't as savvy

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around uh you know doing what they

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should have done i mean doug ducey made

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some news

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regarding all of this and arizona kept

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thinking oh things are going to open up

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things are going to open up

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and that kind of makes it difficult for

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us because we're working with the hotel

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saying

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you know at least it was our point of

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view that the science isn't saying that

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you know

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right um and so uh we had to wait until

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you know that the hotel would let us out

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and say okay fine you know

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you can't do this physically um

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and so then we had to wait until that

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moment to then begin to entertain

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doing it uh in this manner so then karen

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had to do research okay if we're going

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to do this how are we going to do it

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and she found this tool we had to get

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that online and then there's all the

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time to to learn it and understand how

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to use it so

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it's all been kind of last minute it

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feels like and even now we're still

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learning some of the nuances of how all

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of this works but

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the community is up and online and

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that's really great

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i think it's a little more intimate you

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00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:00,160
know in that it's one thing to see

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someone up on a stage which is nice and

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fun um but uh in this case we're going

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to be

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in people's living rooms but we're going

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to be in their

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personal working spaces and seeing them

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doing their their uh

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talks from there and then being able to

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interact with them and ask questions so

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all of that's pretty exciting i think

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it's going to be a lot of fun for

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everyone

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um so i just implore people if you're

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considering it and you're thinking yeah

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i'm gonna get my tickets

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get them now and get in there and start

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interacting with people

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um because it's a lot of fun yeah i

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think it's so cool that you're able to

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you know meet up with people even before

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the thing happens and

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who would have thought you know uh a

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virtual conference would actually bring

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you closer than a

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a flesh and blood conference but i do

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agree with you i think this

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this offers people the opportunity to

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speak to everyone

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and you know sit on their couch or lay

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in bed and have a

570
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:59,280
you know have a mai tai and just enjoy

571
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:00,240
the uh

572
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:02,080
enjoy the show i think it's a great

573
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,520
thing it's the future

574
00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,000
it's what where we have to deal with now

575
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,320
in this new world we're living in and uh

576
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,400
i think you guys have adapted amazing

577
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:12,799
and that that really comes too with the

578
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:14,799
speakers you have so i'd love to run

579
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,360
through

580
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:17,120
some of these people with the alejandro

581
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,880
give us a little taste of what they

582
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:20,320
might be talking about

583
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,760
and what we can expect the first person

584
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,679
i saw who really stood out was

585
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,360
brian bender he's going to be talking

586
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:29,200
about is government transparency

587
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:30,799
happening this has a lot to do with what

588
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:31,520
we just

589
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:34,320
spoke about the uap task force so yeah

590
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:34,720
how

591
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:38,240
what what do you think he's gonna be

592
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,200
talking about

593
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,240
yeah this is fun because brian uh

594
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:44,640
i think uh it'll probably be me doing a

595
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:45,360
one-on-one

596
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:47,919
interview with him but and i've done

597
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:49,520
quite a few in the past but

598
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:51,760
or at least a couple i guess i stay

599
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,760
quite a few because we talk quite a bit

600
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:55,520
um luckily we've become friends because

601
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:56,960
he's out here in

602
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,760
arizona and which is where the ufo

603
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:01,520
congress is headquartered

604
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:05,280
and uh you know he has had an interest i

605
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:05,919
mean

606
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,880
he while he was the defense and space

607
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,720
editor for politico

608
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:12,880
you know he was asking questions about

609
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,840
this stuff which is

610
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:16,080
shocking to me of you know these

611
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,440
high-level officials

612
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,679
what's great with brian is that he

613
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:21,679
hobnobs with all of these people

614
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:25,120
you know he goes to these defense

615
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:27,840
conferences he goes to these government

616
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,240
conferences some of the biggest ones

617
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,400
he hobnobs with the generals with the

618
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:33,760
politicians

619
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,039
he's in dc so he knows what the buzz is

620
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:39,919
and not only that he's got a huge amount

621
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,400
of sources where he can kind of ask

622
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,159
what do you guys think of this harry

623
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,640
reid think you know this ufo thing

624
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,159
um which is kind of of course the

625
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,000
attitude they have harry reid and his

626
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,640
ufo thing and you know get people's

627
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:54,480
opinions and and get some

628
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:57,520
uh background um and

629
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:01,600
and that makes it invaluable uh in his

630
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,240
reporting particularly important because

631
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,760
when he's reporting he's not just

632
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,480
reporting

633
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,559
what he's discovered but it's also the

634
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:10,080
bus you know this is the buzz on the

635
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:11,919
hills this is what or in the pentagon

636
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:12,640
this is what

637
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:15,760
how to make how they see

638
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,559
what's happening here and so that's kind

639
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:20,559
of what we'll be talking about

640
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:23,600
um and his impressions about things

641
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:24,240
because

642
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,840
you know he has a more holistic

643
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,000
perspective uh i think

644
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:31,360
and how this actually fits into

645
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:34,320
government policy and the industrial you

646
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,720
know

647
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,360
military complex and i think that's

648
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,720
really important i think a lot of people

649
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,000
blow it off and think ah

650
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,320
that can't be the case but you know i

651
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:44,080
think you do so at your own peril

652
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,280
because then you're not gonna

653
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,480
really understand you know uh the inner

654
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:50,960
mechanisms behind all of this and

655
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,440
you know what kind of becomes difficult

656
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,440
and it's kind of my job or you know our

657
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,039
job as interviewers

658
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:59,840
to interpret they also use different

659
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:00,559
verbiage

660
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:04,000
so for example um lou elizondo from his

661
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:05,440
perspective is like you know

662
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:08,080
atip was a big project we did a lot of

663
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,200
stuff

664
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,360
but bender's perspective is it was just

665
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:13,919
a little portfolio that he worked on

666
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,799
part of the time both are true those

667
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:18,240
don't have to be

668
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,840
opposing opinions or views it's just a

669
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,679
matter of perspective

670
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:25,360
brian's looking at the big picture and

671
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,720
the big picture

672
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,559
you know it's not like norad or

673
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:30,240
something where they had a headquarters

674
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,840
with a dozen people

675
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:34,000
that are hard at work working with

676
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,440
multiple agencies no

677
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:37,440
it was kind of essentially like nick

678
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,440
pope it's one guy

679
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,480
at a desk making phone calls sure he's

680
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,159
coordinating and working with a lot of

681
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:46,000
people throughout the military

682
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,440
but you know it's one person

683
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:49,200
coordinating all this and working with

684
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,799
these others who are just

685
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,320
working with him as opposed to being

686
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,320
part of the project so

687
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,400
um from my perspective what lou

688
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,760
describes is a big deal

689
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:59,919
and even what bender describes is a big

690
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,039
deal but it's just

691
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:03,440
you know in the grand scheme of things

692
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,640
it's a fairly

693
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,880
you know kind of small thing as far as

694
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:08,320
projects go so

695
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,919
that's the sort of advantage i think

696
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:12,000
someone like brian brings

697
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:15,360
um in some of this uh in order to

698
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:16,720
understand

699
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,000
all of this and of course to un

700
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:22,000
understand a mainstream perspective

701
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:23,279
because politico

702
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:26,960
is wonky you know it's it's uh policy

703
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,600
it is very uh and this is the type of

704
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:31,200
area where credibility is really

705
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,240
important

706
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:35,200
so um you really get i think a strong

707
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:35,760
idea

708
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:38,799
of kind of how mainstream media

709
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,760
is kind of working with this too brian's

710
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:43,679
more open than most

711
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:46,559
but his experience in trying to research

712
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:47,120
all of this

713
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:50,960
is also um really interesting so

714
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,480
yeah i think that it's really important

715
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:54,000
i think these are the perspectives we

716
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,120
need because

717
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:57,120
again in the ufo community there's these

718
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:58,480
echo chambers

719
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:59,919
and people saying oh my gosh you're

720
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,000
going to be talking about you know

721
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:05,039
roswell and crashed ufos and you know

722
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:06,640
and we're hearing none of that

723
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:09,679
out of you know actually from washington

724
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:13,200
um so so i think we get a more realistic

725
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,240
perspective and

726
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,080
yeah i'm excited about it it's always

727
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,600
really exciting and that's another thing

728
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,039
that's really cool with the conference

729
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:21,120
like i talked about with the interaction

730
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,960
people like brian bender who may be hard

731
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,480
to get to

732
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:26,159
if you're a person in the public and you

733
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:27,760
have a question you know they'll have

734
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,000
the

735
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,880
opportunity to pose questions to him at

736
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:31,760
the conference

737
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:34,240
absolutely and i think it's amazing that

738
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,120
he uh

739
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:37,600
he took this invitation and he's willing

740
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,559
to speak

741
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,799
to the public and to the ufo community

742
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,559
too who you know

743
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,720
it's hard it's hard when all they want

744
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:45,600
to talk about is

745
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,640
crash saucers and alien abductions but

746
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:50,640
then there's the cold hard truth

747
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,600
that there is an extremely militarized

748
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,440
and politicized version of

749
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:57,679
the ufo topic so i'm really excited for

750
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,480
that too man

751
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,760
and just to add because this will come

752
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,679
up later yeah i think is that

753
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:04,080
there's also he's not even opposed to

754
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:06,400
those things being a possibility

755
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:10,080
um it's just how that would work you

756
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,400
know

757
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:13,039
in the real world that's what we really

758
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,320
need to understand

759
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:17,039
and how one may gain access or

760
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:17,919
information

761
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:20,720
and how willing uh is the military or

762
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:21,600
the government

763
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:25,039
um or how close what are the any clues

764
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,320
that they may be

765
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,480
ready to reveal more i think those are

766
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:30,080
all the things that we need to look at

767
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,120
closely

768
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:33,279
um unfortunately as we talked about

769
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,159
earlier we don't

770
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:36,559
see those sort of things but at least

771
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,080
you know you can ask someone like brian

772
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:39,840
who's open-minded to say well if that

773
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,320
sort of

774
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,880
thing exists which it may here's how

775
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,159
that might work

776
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:46,640
um which gives us you know makes us

777
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,279
smarter

778
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:49,919
at what we do what we do well let's talk

779
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:50,320
about

780
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,360
smart people this next guy a lot of

781
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,559
people might

782
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,480
remember him he was on an episode of

783
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:58,960
unidentified on the history channel

784
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,520
and we know him as the triangular ufo

785
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:03,039
guy but he's actually

786
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,480
going to be talking about something

787
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,480
completely different which is really

788
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,480
cool that's david marlar

789
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,640
and he's going to be talking about a ufo

790
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:11,919
burn victim

791
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,640
from 1964. now do you know anything

792
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,640
about this case alejandro and uh

793
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,799
yeah are you excited to see what david's

794
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:20,559
bringing to the table

795
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:23,760
i'm always excited for david's talks

796
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,240
because david's talks are some of my

797
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:27,840
absolute favorite

798
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:30,960
and what's great about david is that if

799
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:31,440
he's

800
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:34,559
doing a talk on a topic you

801
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,000
know that he's done a deep dive

802
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:41,120
to really uh get to information

803
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,880
that you have you'll never you won't see

804
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:44,240
anywhere else

805
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:48,240
and that he's gonna really substantiate

806
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,679
his argument um for instance if you see

807
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,159
his talk on uh the battle of la

808
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,799
i mean he really demonstrates how this

809
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,120
was a nimitz type case you know jet

810
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,960
scrambled radar

811
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,720
all of this stuff and i never knew any

812
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,480
of that you know i never knew how

813
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:06,559
solid of a case that was i don't think

814
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:07,520
anybody did

815
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:10,880
until david did this research so

816
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:14,399
it burns if it was anybody else i would

817
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,200
be like burn

818
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,000
if someone getting burned from a ufo

819
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:19,760
yeah right you know i would be pretty

820
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,640
skeptical

821
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,559
but i'm extremely excited with david

822
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,559
because i'm confident

823
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,279
that uh he's gonna convince me that you

824
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:29,279
know he's gonna have some really strong

825
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,320
evidence to support this so uh that's of

826
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,399
course i'm super excited about it i know

827
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:36,240
very little about the case

828
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,919
and i'm trying to stay away from looking

829
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:40,000
into it because i want to

830
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:43,440
watch david go through it and share

831
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:46,480
and so i can experience it you know

832
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:49,679
uh through his work and uh he's so good

833
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,240
i'm i'm

834
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,320
really really excited about that yeah

835
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,480
and what i would give to see that dude's

836
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,240
library in his home

837
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,200
yeah um well you know and the other

838
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,480
thing just to uh

839
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,640
to wrap up david marlar this idea of

840
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:04,640
biological effects this is now

841
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,080
like the official uh sixth observable

842
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:10,240
according to luis elizondo and the work

843
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:11,360
of atip and

844
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,480
to the stars academy and look i

845
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,039
i went in a deep dive after i saw that

846
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:18,799
david was going to be talking about this

847
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:22,000
and there are hundreds of cases where

848
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:22,720
there have been

849
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,880
physiological effects on the human

850
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,080
observing the ufo

851
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,320
or experiencing the close encounters so

852
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:30,399
this is just one of many and one i'm

853
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,279
sure

854
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,039
is going to really perk some ears and

855
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:35,039
open some eyes

856
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,679
right i mean we george knapp

857
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:41,279
leaked and not many people have looked

858
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:42,720
at this or even seen it

859
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,159
but it was a it was a report by a bass

860
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:48,960
uh executive anonymous they didn't say

861
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:49,600
who

862
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,039
and they talk a lot about

863
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:55,440
physical effects so obviously that was

864
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,320
something

865
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,960
that they were doing with this pentagon

866
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:01,039
investigation that bigelow and bass was

867
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,320
was contracted to do and then there's

868
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,399
this project condyne which is a report

869
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,399
from the uk where they also go over

870
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,760
physical effects

871
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,760
yeah there are a lot of people looking

872
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:13,440
into this aspect so it's going to be

873
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,240
great for

874
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,960
david to demonstrate uh you know the

875
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:18,480
credibility behind it how

876
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:20,240
how convinced are we that there have

877
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,600
been physical

878
00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:23,520
effects and that's what's going to be

879
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,549
[Music]

880
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,480
what's up guys ryan sprague here and i'm

881
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,320
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882
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883
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884
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890
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891
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892
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894
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:04,370
thank you and keep looking up

895
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,070
all right well here's another one a

896
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,760
gentleman who uh

897
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,919
hasn't spoken at many conferences but

898
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:18,000
he's he's kind of a big

899
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,840
deal right now in the ufo community and

900
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:21,360
that's deep prasad

901
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,480
and he's going to be talking about the

902
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:25,039
complexities of understanding alien

903
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,240
intelligences

904
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,240
so yeah tell us a little about deep

905
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:30,000
alejandro and uh

906
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:31,760
and if you're looking forward to this

907
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:34,000
one too this is really interesting

908
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:37,039
yeah deep is a controversial figure he's

909
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:38,240
a young guy

910
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,440
who speaks his mind and you know

911
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,200
uh there have been people questioning

912
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:45,200
his background and i don't know people

913
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:46,399
have said he's kind of

914
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,039
over exaggerated or something and

915
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:51,360
perhaps in some arenas i don't know

916
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:54,399
but we vetted him and you know he was

917
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,799
a superstar at school he was you know

918
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:58,559
they wrote an article on him in his

919
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,519
school

920
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,240
uh it seems like people have always been

921
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:04,240
really excited about him and felt that

922
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:04,720
he's

923
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:08,559
a intelligent um you know deep thinker

924
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:11,039
and i think that's what we appreciate

925
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:11,679
about

926
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:15,600
him and that others do um you know he

927
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:18,159
he is he's got his own kind of tech

928
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:19,039
startup he's

929
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:22,159
trying to start up uh and and that's

930
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,200
just it i think

931
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,760
deep is hey as his first name is

932
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:26,720
appropriate

933
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,000
he's a deep or an intellectual speaker

934
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,720
so i think that he's got interesting

935
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:34,080
perspectives

936
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,360
and so yeah i'm excited to see him

937
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:39,679
bring up um how would we communicate

938
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,720
with aliens

939
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,559
it's kind of a topic that i've been

940
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,000
interested in

941
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:46,159
i've got an article comes up a lot there

942
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:47,440
was this

943
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,600
essentially

944
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:53,760
the people getting trained on i think it

945
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:54,799
was the nsa

946
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,159
they train each other on kind of

947
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,840
cracking codes right

948
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,360
and there's this document out there

949
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:02,960
about uh cracking

950
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,760
alien code and a lot of people use this

951
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,960
and say look they got an

952
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,640
alien signal and they were trying to

953
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:10,640
crack the code no that's not what it was

954
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,600
at all

955
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,679
um but i think what it really was is

956
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,039
interesting because

957
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,799
there was this professor teaching

958
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,799
cracking code and he said

959
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,120
you know what if we get a signal what if

960
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,039
seti gets a signal and they come to us

961
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,640
and they ask us to crack it

962
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:26,880
how are we going to go about that and

963
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,000
that was the

964
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,080
idea which was kind of interesting they

965
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,919
were seriously considering these

966
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:33,440
possibilities

967
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,559
and so he created exercises for students

968
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,159
around cracking these alien

969
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,960
codes so i think that that's really

970
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:42,480
interesting the idea

971
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,519
of if we do get a signal how are we

972
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,120
going to deal with that and

973
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,840
there it's a topic that has penetrated

974
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,840
mainstream science

975
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,440
you know there are scientists that you

976
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,960
could read their papers on

977
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,360
this very topic so it's going to be i

978
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:59,279
think really interesting and eye opening

979
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:00,559
to people

980
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,200
to kind of consider how would we do that

981
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:05,039
if we do receive a message how are we

982
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,080
even going to understand

983
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,320
it so i think it's a great topic kind of

984
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,760
uh bleeding into that

985
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,839
is another individual who's going to be

986
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,599
talking about something somewhat similar

987
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,760
and that's a diana paselka

988
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:17,200
and she's going to be talking about

989
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:19,839
protocols for contact so right there man

990
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,760
you've got these two heavy hitters out

991
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,599
there not necessarily

992
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:26,000
um you know that well known in the ufo

993
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,800
community

994
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,960
tackling these hypotheticals so yeah

995
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,800
tell us a little about diana and

996
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:33,040
what we can expect from that i think

997
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,320
this is going to be really

998
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,599
interesting because she's another

999
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:37,440
interesting um

1000
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:40,159
person and her thoughts are more along

1001
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:40,960
the

1002
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,040
say

1003
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:48,000
into religion and how kind of belief

1004
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:48,960
systems affect

1005
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:52,159
culture and everything so um i think

1006
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:53,359
that that will be

1007
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:57,040
an interesting take uh from her because

1008
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,119
you know really if you are going to

1009
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,760
if you were let's say part of the uap

1010
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,119
task force

1011
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:07,359
and you're like okay we are going to

1012
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,480
have to

1013
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,200
as a you know and we've we've got this

1014
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,960
close encounter situation

1015
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,560
they want to land and they want to talk

1016
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,160
to us and it's got that it's going to be

1017
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,760
a public thing

1018
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,839
you know you would want to rely on

1019
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:20,880
someone

1020
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,079
like a diana pasulka in that how is this

1021
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:25,599
going to affect

1022
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:28,079
people uh are they going to freak are

1023
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,079
they what are they gonna do

1024
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:32,160
um especially because you know

1025
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:33,119
considering

1026
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:37,200
uh world views and deeply held world

1027
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:38,079
views

1028
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:44,000
is this gonna cause some emotional kind

1029
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,320
of

1030
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:46,560
problems uh how do we do this in a

1031
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:47,760
manner in which

1032
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:51,040
you know uh it's not it's effective and

1033
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:52,400
not impactive

1034
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,119
and so yeah i think that she's in a good

1035
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,520
spot to be someone to

1036
00:36:01,190 --> 00:36:00,000
offer up some suggestions on how that

1037
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,200
might happen and

1038
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:03,760
of course a lot of us when we at least

1039
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,480
myself

1040
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,119
other sci-fi people or people into this

1041
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:09,119
you know think how would that happen

1042
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,640
you know i always think about uh

1043
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:15,359
first contact uh star trek and how the

1044
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,640
vulcans came and

1045
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:19,200
you know after we flew this this new

1046
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,400
spacecraft out

1047
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,720
uh you know and what if that's the sort

1048
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,320
of thing that happens when it happens

1049
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,880
how's it gonna happen and will it happen

1050
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:27,599
and i think

1051
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,400
probably it will at some point so yeah

1052
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,240
it's a topic that i'm really

1053
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,400
into so it ought to be a great one i

1054
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,320
think so yeah and uh

1055
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:38,480
you know a lot of people may have read

1056
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,440
diana's book

1057
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,520
american cosmic and in that book she

1058
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,960
featured a guy

1059
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,440
named chris bledsoe and his experiences

1060
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:46,800
so you guys

1061
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:49,119
also have chris bledsoe coming he's

1062
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:50,720
going to be talking about angels and

1063
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:51,680
aliens

1064
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,400
so right there man mixing ufos with

1065
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:56,240
religion again yeah what do you make of

1066
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,440
chris bledsoe

1067
00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:00,000
and his entire story and yeah should we

1068
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:01,760
be excited about this one

1069
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,839
i i think so in that um chris bledsoe

1070
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,240
uh is a case that a lot of people

1071
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,760
believe in i've been

1072
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:12,480
friends with uh you know john alexander

1073
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,440
formal colonel

1074
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:15,440
and army intelligence and everything for

1075
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,560
quite a while and

1076
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,720
john is always talking about bloodsow

1077
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:20,480
and that he had his own

1078
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:23,920
personal signing with chris bledsoe

1079
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,560
it's kind of interesting because when a

1080
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:28,320
story first came out it was kind of a

1081
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:29,839
big deal and then he went

1082
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:33,040
um quiet he wasn't talking to anyone

1083
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,480
and i guess because they were working on

1084
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:36,240
a movie deal or something and it never

1085
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:38,240
came to fruition i guess i'm not sure

1086
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,119
but he was

1087
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,760
like out of the public and now all of a

1088
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,960
sudden he's back

1089
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,480
and he's working very closely with a

1090
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,480
friend of mine lori uh

1091
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,119
a friend of ours karen and mine and so

1092
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:51,280
luckily you know we were able to get him

1093
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,599
at the conference because i think

1094
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,599
people really into this topic have been

1095
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:57,440
dying to get to know what this guy's

1096
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,000
like

1097
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,359
uh for maybe a decade that you know his

1098
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,359
name has kind of been out there

1099
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:05,599
so yeah so that's really exciting we'll

1100
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:06,640
finally get to

1101
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:10,800
more interacting and getting to know

1102
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,560
chris bledsoe and his case and

1103
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,480
i think what's interesting about this is

1104
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:18,000
you know jacques valet talks about

1105
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,440
this a lot and in fact we'll have

1106
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,599
another speaker kind of talking about

1107
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,680
this too is kind of these archetypes

1108
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,680
when we experience

1109
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:28,160
the paranormal how do we interpret it

1110
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,880
and

1111
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:31,200
in the past it's been interpreted

1112
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,400
through mythology

1113
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:34,560
through religion you know angels and

1114
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,079
demons sort of thing

1115
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,960
um and this case seems to be kind of a

1116
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:40,560
mixture of that

1117
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,240
uh aliens and angels so they have a diff

1118
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,880
interesting i think a unique perspective

1119
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:48,960
of what's going on with him

1120
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:52,160
and uh so it'll be interesting to to

1121
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,520
hear from him on this

1122
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,599
yeah and you know i always tell people

1123
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,119
the ufo topic

1124
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:59,440
can be seen so through so many different

1125
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,720
lenses and

1126
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,880
and how you perceive your experience and

1127
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,760
interpret that

1128
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:06,320
so i i think that's fascinating i can't

1129
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,960
wait to

1130
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,880
to hear because i i know very little

1131
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:10,800
about chris bledsoe's entire

1132
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,320
uh string of events so i'm really

1133
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:16,880
looking forward to finally sitting down

1134
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,520
and

1135
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:20,240
consuming everything he has to say um

1136
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,040
and

1137
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:23,040
that goes for this person too now we

1138
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,079
know kind of the

1139
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:26,880
key players in the rendociam forest

1140
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,680
incident

1141
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:30,240
you know the uh the the gentleman who

1142
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:31,520
touched the craft and

1143
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:34,079
the base commander deputy base commander

1144
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,200
halt and

1145
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,720
everyone in between but a lot of people

1146
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,320
don't know about lori

1147
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:41,200
rayfeldt and her incredible stories of

1148
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:43,040
what happened while she was working

1149
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,480
at raf bentwater so yeah uh tell us a

1150
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,920
little about what laurie's going to be

1151
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,960
talking about

1152
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:51,440
yeah lori had an experience i think

1153
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,400
something like a month or a year

1154
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:57,040
but it was prior to the famous

1155
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:58,480
reynoldshim forest stuff that we're

1156
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,800
aware of in the 1980s that

1157
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:03,200
involved colonel halt the deputy base

1158
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:04,079
commander

1159
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,040
and and made that all a big deal lori's

1160
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,960
experience was prior to that when she

1161
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:10,720
was stationed at the base

1162
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,839
and uh you know i i always because

1163
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,760
because as you know there's been some

1164
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,040
people who have made

1165
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,880
claims about being involved with that

1166
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,800
that were

1167
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:23,440
not accurate i'm well aware i was

1168
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,520
writing a play about uh this

1169
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,760
person you're speaking about that play

1170
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,440
will never see the light of day that's

1171
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:31,119
another story though

1172
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,079
yeah yeah a lot of people were affected

1173
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:36,240
by that but i did confirm with hulk you

1174
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,280
know that she was

1175
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,839
really there or at least working on the

1176
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,440
base they didn't know each other

1177
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:44,079
but she had worked there um the first

1178
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,680
time i saw her was

1179
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,520
with the disclosure project she was one

1180
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:49,200
of those witnesses

1181
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:52,800
so she did this video with stephen greer

1182
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:55,599
years ago talking about her experience

1183
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,560
and then uh

1184
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,640
of course all of those interviews that

1185
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,400
he did have become

1186
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,880
you know big on the internet and she

1187
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,560
kind of disappeared

1188
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:07,040
and we actually were really fortunate

1189
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:07,760
she sought

1190
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,800
us out she sent an email saying hey uh

1191
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:12,400
i'm really ready to talk about my

1192
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,599
experiences

1193
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:16,000
and we said we were flattered we were

1194
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,640
like well

1195
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,800
of course we'd be you know we'd be

1196
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:20,319
honored to have you part of the

1197
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,280
conference

1198
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:23,839
and so yeah so she's gonna come talk

1199
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,319
about

1200
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:27,200
her experience and how it's affected her

1201
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:28,079
life

1202
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:31,680
and uh and um she's a very thoughtful

1203
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,359
intelligent person retired now

1204
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,160
and uh and so it's gonna yeah it's

1205
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,839
another great one and you know someone

1206
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:40,800
who

1207
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,599
looked into the rental shum incidents uh

1208
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,040
pretty thoroughly

1209
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,960
is this next gentleman a lot of people

1210
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:48,880
will know this name nick pope he was the

1211
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,359
former

1212
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,400
ufo desk guy for the mod

1213
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,640
and uh look we've got all the news going

1214
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:57,280
on in america about atip and pentagon

1215
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,319
programs uob

1216
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,800
task force uh but a lot of people didn't

1217
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,720
know that while those stories were sort

1218
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:05,359
of breaking back in 2017

1219
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,720
the uk released tons of their ufo files

1220
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,319
so that's what nick pope's

1221
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,000
gonna be talking about here so yeah what

1222
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:13,680
can we expect from our

1223
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,200
our uh british correspondent over there

1224
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,520
well you know i've relied on nick pope a

1225
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:22,000
lot over the last few years to help us

1226
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:26,319
understand uh atip and elizondo's role

1227
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,599
and and all this stuff going on and that

1228
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,520
you know i i think people have

1229
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,440
underestimated his

1230
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:36,400
uh the importance of his uh input and

1231
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,040
insights

1232
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:39,839
on this because he was doing the same

1233
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,400
thing

1234
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:43,359
though as time goes on and as we

1235
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,079
understand

1236
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:46,160
this more there are more and more

1237
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:47,359
parallels

1238
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:50,960
between what elizondo was doing

1239
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:54,480
and what uh nick pope was doing

1240
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,920
however the other helpful insight we get

1241
00:43:02,069 --> 00:42:59,440
from nick pope is that

1242
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,079
he had some public interface whereas

1243
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,680
elizondo did not they were more

1244
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,119
secretive the public didn't even know

1245
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,880
what was going on we in the field who

1246
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,400
knew these people a lot of people

1247
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,839
involved didn't even know what was going

1248
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:10,560
on

1249
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:13,200
but with nick the public is aware and so

1250
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:13,599
nick

1251
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:16,880
employed these spin and dirty tricks to

1252
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,440
get people off the the trail you know to

1253
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,880
trick the media into thinking there was

1254
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,720
nothing to these things

1255
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,319
and what's interesting about those

1256
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:26,800
insights is that we've seen the dod

1257
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,920
using the same type of tricks that nick

1258
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,760
pope has described

1259
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,680
beyond that though as far as his

1260
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:35,680
similarities with elizondo

1261
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,480
he was that guy working the ufo desk

1262
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:40,480
over the years people have said oh nick

1263
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,359
pope is

1264
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,480
making his job looking into ufos bigger

1265
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,000
than it was

1266
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,839
and i don't think that's necessarily a

1267
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:49,359
fair argument

1268
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,800
i think it's impossible for nick to try

1269
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:55,200
to accurately describe what he did

1270
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:58,720
and people not ex you know ex uh

1271
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,400
criticize the way he frames it just like

1272
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,800
what is happening to lu elizondo

1273
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,800
you know they try to describe what what

1274
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,800
they did and some people are saying oh

1275
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:10,319
you're making it a bigger deal than it

1276
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:10,800
was

1277
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,079
or you know um sort of thing

1278
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:16,000
and and it's kind of interesting because

1279
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:17,599
i think they're both in a tough spot

1280
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,400
because

1281
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,079
you're just trying to explain and how do

1282
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,160
you try to tell someone

1283
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,119
well it's a project but it's not like a

1284
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:27,280
funded program like something huge like

1285
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,480
you would think of

1286
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,800
you know um and i think especially these

1287
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:31,920
guys buoyant

1288
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,760
a tip and stuff atip was very informal

1289
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,160
you're not going to get the sort of

1290
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,839
information you would get from a more

1291
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:41,839
formal kind of project or program

1292
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,480
remember

1293
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:44,319
this was kind of a harry reid pet

1294
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:45,680
project this isn't something the

1295
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,480
pentagon

1296
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,960
created that on their own it was kind of

1297
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:50,560
shoehorned in

1298
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:53,839
uh a-tip i mean and the ufo desk was not

1299
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,400
like this

1300
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:57,599
big thing either so the parallels are

1301
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,079
really

1302
00:45:01,349 --> 00:45:00,480
interesting uh even the the ways they

1303
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,359
went about

1304
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:03,440
investigation i think were really

1305
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,720
similar so

1306
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,560
uh that's why i think right now nick

1307
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:08,880
pope there's no person on the planet

1308
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,240
who is more like an elizondo than nick

1309
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,839
pope was in the uk

1310
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,599
so i think if you're interested in

1311
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:17,280
knowing about that and governments and

1312
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,079
how they work

1313
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:21,040
uh and i think you know there's

1314
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,640
practically no better person than nick

1315
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:24,400
pope to talk to about all these things

1316
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,280
so

1317
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,680
he is invaluable to lend insight

1318
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:28,560
especially

1319
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:31,680
right now absolutely i mean like you

1320
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:32,560
said there are almost

1321
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,880
mirror images of one another when it

1322
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,319
comes to this uh

1323
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,160
so i'm really excited for that and then

1324
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:40,480
oh man here's the one i'm really looking

1325
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:41,599
forward to

1326
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:44,240
um for those who listen to the show

1327
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:45,839
we've covered this case in the past the

1328
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,960
rua zimbabwe aerial school encounter

1329
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:51,440
and you know tons of kids were witness

1330
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,319
to this

1331
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:55,200
ufo landing on their school yard they

1332
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:55,599
saw

1333
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:58,800
entities it was a crazy case that

1334
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,839
was investigated and uh all the kids

1335
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,680
were interviewed by harvard

1336
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,720
psychiatrist john mack at one point

1337
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,480
stunning stunning case and you were able

1338
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,400
to get one of the children that was

1339
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,160
there back when this happened

1340
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:14,880
and that's selma sadiq so yeah tell us a

1341
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:15,839
little about this

1342
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,920
and what we can expect from uh from

1343
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,839
selma you're probably saying it right

1344
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,680
sadie khan i say acidic which is

1345
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,599
probably wrong who hey

1346
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:25,599
well we'll ask you we'll ask her in the

1347
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,720
chat right

1348
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,720
yeah this is an exciting one were you

1349
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,960
there when we had emily trim

1350
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:33,200
out of congress yes i was there that i

1351
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,160
thought so you're

1352
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,319
you're there most the time but you you

1353
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,000
can attest to

1354
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:41,040
the atmosphere in the room when emily

1355
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:42,000
trim was

1356
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,280
talking about her experience was unique

1357
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:47,280
and it was a rare moment it was a

1358
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:49,040
special moment

1359
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,800
everybody's on pins and needles

1360
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,720
listening to her account

1361
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:55,040
and that's what makes me excited for

1362
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:56,480
salma because

1363
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,800
they're both ex very articulate they've

1364
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,560
these encounters have affected their

1365
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,000
lives

1366
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,520
and you know and the encounter itself

1367
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,200
the ruat encounter

1368
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:11,839
is an extraordinary situation you know

1369
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:12,720
with all of these

1370
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:15,280
kids none of the teachers side but the

1371
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:17,119
kids saw you know this craft land and

1372
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:17,440
this

1373
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,200
you know the kids all tell the adults at

1374
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,280
first they're blowing them off and then

1375
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,880
all the kids are like no this really

1376
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:28,319
happened so they start to take them

1377
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:29,520
seriously

1378
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:32,559
and the the way the kids ex

1379
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,920
describe the experience and the feelings

1380
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:36,720
they got

1381
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:39,839
from looking at this this

1382
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:42,720
what they allegedly you know alien or at

1383
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:43,200
least

1384
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,319
this creature is pretty incredible

1385
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:49,280
i mean it's it's not the type of thing

1386
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,160
you would expect

1387
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:53,520
children to say so um

1388
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:55,599
you can tell from talking to these

1389
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,640
witnesses

1390
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,960
you know these ex this experience was

1391
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,880
very impactful

1392
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,880
and so that's what's going to be

1393
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,400
wonderful

1394
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:07,200
about talking to selma as an adult a

1395
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:08,400
professional

1396
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:11,839
today um to get her impressions

1397
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,040
of what it was like back then and how it

1398
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:16,800
affected her life

1399
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,839
and um you know it is one of these wow

1400
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,440
moments a lot of people love hearing

1401
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,880
from travis walton

1402
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,319
and i think it's kind of a similar

1403
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,160
reason you know someone who

1404
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:28,880
apparently had an extraordinary

1405
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,000
encounter

1406
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:32,880
that really shook them to their core and

1407
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:35,359
so to have them express

1408
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:39,440
uh the emotional impact and and

1409
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,280
is uh it's moving and so

1410
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:45,440
yeah so like you i'm really excited for

1411
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:46,480
this as well

1412
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,599
it's something we've been trying to

1413
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,839
arrange for a while uh

1414
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,680
and then i was gonna try to get an

1415
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,119
interview um

1416
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,960
and then i decided to kind of hold off

1417
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,559
because we've been trying to get her for

1418
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,520
the congress and so thankfully uh very

1419
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,280
excited that she'll be

1420
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,599
involved this year yeah and i'm sure

1421
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:05,280
it'll be well worth the wait because i

1422
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,680
mean

1423
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:07,839
you know me man i'm all about the human

1424
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:10,160
behind the experience so

1425
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:11,599
these things affect people in many

1426
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,280
different ways some of those kids

1427
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:16,160
were traumatized and their lives didn't

1428
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,880
go

1429
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:19,200
so well after that event but someone

1430
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:19,920
like

1431
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:23,920
light

1432
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:27,119
for uh the world and the stuff she's

1433
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:27,440
done

1434
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:29,920
since that experience and she she admits

1435
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:30,800
that a lot of

1436
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,760
what she does today was directly

1437
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,440
influenced by what she experienced as a

1438
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:37,680
kid so i'm really excited about that um

1439
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,000
oh here's here's the last one i really

1440
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:41,839
want to talk to you about uh

1441
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,640
specifically and that's travis taylor

1442
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:47,040
bryant dragon arnold and tom winterton

1443
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,240
the guys over at

1444
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,720
skinwalker ranch no congress or no

1445
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,680
conference

1446
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:54,000
is anything without skinwalker ranch so

1447
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,520
yeah tell us a little about what we can

1448
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,800
expect with this

1449
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,640
yeah how can you be into a tip and all

1450
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,000
this stuff and bigelow without

1451
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,480
being into skinwalker also skinwalker's

1452
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:03,920
been such a big deal to us

1453
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,640
in the ufo community general public is

1454
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:08,000
just kind of starting to

1455
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,760
understand it or at least get some

1456
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,520
insight so yeah

1457
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:13,839
to hear these guys in their experience

1458
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:14,640
uh

1459
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:18,160
working at skinwalker and doing the

1460
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,200
history channel

1461
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:21,280
show have you heard officially about a

1462
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,400
season two

1463
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:25,440
yes yeah it was a announced on the

1464
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,800
skinwalker podcast i think over at rogue

1465
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:30,480
planet at one point with the executive

1466
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,200
producer

1467
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,880
they have confirmed there is a second

1468
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,960
season and they're halfway done with

1469
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:35,839
filming it

1470
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:38,640
yeah so we'll talk more about that in

1471
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:39,440
fact uh

1472
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,480
yeah because uh exactly yep so this is

1473
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,920
going to be a lot of fun hearing about

1474
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:45,760
season two hearing about

1475
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:48,559
um you know their personal experiences

1476
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:48,960
with

1477
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,760
uh some weirdness yeah i'm excited for

1478
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,960
that man well hey

1479
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,880
i'm just going to run through the the

1480
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,240
remaining names

1481
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,640
uh so people can seek these people out

1482
00:51:01,589 --> 00:51:00,400
we got linda zimmerman rebecca

1483
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:01,599
hardcastle

1484
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:04,720
kate thor falcon i hope i'm saying that

1485
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:05,280
correct

1486
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:08,960
no you did it mj bonaires kevin knew

1487
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:11,599
gwen farrell chad lewis timothy bringham

1488
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:12,000
and

1489
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:14,079
of course like you mentioned travis

1490
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:15,680
walton so

1491
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,079
huge lineup this is so awesome there's

1492
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,920
going to be panel discussions

1493
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,920
but the last thing i really want to talk

1494
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,599
to you about here alejandro is

1495
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,760
the ebe film festival this is something

1496
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,760
i was a huge part of when i

1497
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,520
volunteered for the congress for many

1498
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:31,119
years and uh

1499
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,720
yeah can you tell us a little about this

1500
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:34,800
film festival um

1501
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,880
do uh who was nominated and uh yeah how

1502
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:41,119
how members can take part in this this

1503
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,880
will be fun so essentially

1504
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:44,880
if you register for the conference at

1505
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,160
whatever level you're gonna have

1506
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:49,200
access to watch the movies

1507
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,240
so um tuesday we're trying to do it just

1508
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:53,839
like we do at the conference

1509
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,480
so tuesday the day before the conference

1510
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:58,720
anybody who wants to join in can join in

1511
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,160
and watch the movies and be a judge

1512
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:04,240
if you want to be a judge we do require

1513
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,400
that you watch all the movies

1514
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,880
um because you need to judge you know

1515
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:09,920
between them

1516
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,640
but um otherwise yeah you can pop in and

1517
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,920
watch the films

1518
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,920
we don't have a whole lot and it's

1519
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,200
probably because of this weird

1520
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:19,680
format but we do have quite we're going

1521
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:20,640
to have about

1522
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:23,440
six movies that we'll be showing some of

1523
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:23,920
them

1524
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:27,920
uh from ufo tv uh and some of like for

1525
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:28,960
instance we've got some

1526
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,400
shorts that are actually animated

1527
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:35,520
but extremely well produced um and those

1528
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:36,640
are from ufo

1529
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:39,920
tv uh we've got this short that uh

1530
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:43,359
i think is really cool about this

1531
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,640
guy this old man who says he had uh

1532
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:49,040
an experience and and figured and was

1533
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:50,480
kind of communicating to him how to

1534
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:51,920
build a ufo

1535
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,200
uh like howard menger or something so

1536
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:57,599
this is it's a great little documentary

1537
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:59,440
and then we also have a movie from louis

1538
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:00,319
turi

1539
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,440
uh about his alien

1540
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:06,240
alleged alien contacts and then we have

1541
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:07,359
another one

1542
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,400
called the cahokie lights about uh

1543
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:13,680
this case there and the the

1544
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,960
filmmaker uh for this one has won awards

1545
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:18,079
in the past of course

1546
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,440
so is ufo tv so um

1547
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,040
so you know they're they're produced

1548
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,880
really well so the films are going to be

1549
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,880
a lot of fun so we'll show them all on

1550
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,480
tuesday we've got

1551
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,640
two categories and then everybody who

1552
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:32,079
watches them during the conference can

1553
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,440
vote and let us know

1554
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:35,440
and uh that person will win a people's

1555
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:36,880
choice award so there's three awards

1556
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,000
that are given out

1557
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:40,720
the long form short form and people's

1558
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:41,520
choice

1559
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:44,240
and uh and so it ought to be fun i mean

1560
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,040
i don't know that

1561
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,280
we're going to have three films in each

1562
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,880
category more than that

1563
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,480
so they might all get shown which is

1564
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:52,800
great you know more than marriott that's

1565
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:53,599
even better

1566
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,280
because it's it's great to get these

1567
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:57,440
movies in front of audiences

1568
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:00,800
and uh then saturday we're planning

1569
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,760
on and uh it'll be interesting how we

1570
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:05,119
pull this off

1571
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:07,359
but karen wants to try to mirror the

1572
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,119
award ceremony as good as

1573
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,240
possible we'll have some of the speakers

1574
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:14,880
including brian bender and travis walton

1575
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:15,440
uh

1576
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,040
so far here at the house

1577
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,559
outside we're gonna have a food and kind

1578
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:24,880
of try to do a banquet and dress up

1579
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:28,000
and then do like an award ceremony so

1580
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,280
that ought to be kind of funny

1581
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:31,520
that'll be awesome hey no awards

1582
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,480
ceremony

1583
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,960
is uh is worth it if everyone's not

1584
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,480
dressed to the nine so

1585
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:38,000
that'll be cool i'm really looking

1586
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,160
forward to the film festival i always do

1587
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,480
it's near and dear to my heart but um

1588
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,160
before we wrap things up here

1589
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,319
alejandro with the congress tell us a

1590
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:48,160
little about the rojas report and some

1591
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,119
of the amazing

1592
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:51,359
guests you've had on this this is like

1593
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:52,319
alejandro

1594
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:55,359
rebooted 2.0 so yeah tell us a little

1595
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:56,559
about this

1596
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,480
yeah exactly you know i kind of felt um

1597
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,079
what you wrote for open minds and still

1598
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:04,559
has you know maureen and jason who you

1599
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:05,920
work with have

1600
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:08,079
were also part of the staff and cute

1601
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,680
contributed to a lot of what

1602
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,160
we've done at openmind so we've we've

1603
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,000
always took this perspective of trying

1604
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,079
to be as journalistic as possible just

1605
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:18,240
like we all continue to do

1606
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,000
to this day and it's a it's a unique

1607
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:25,119
niche i think and to be honest i got a

1608
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:27,040
little bummed with the ufo community

1609
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,520
because

1610
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,920
all this atip stuff comes out you know

1611
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,079
ufos are becoming legit

1612
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:33,920
and it seemed like a lot of the ufo

1613
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:36,480
community doubled down on the crazy if

1614
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,000
they put it so fine but um

1615
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:42,160
instead of kind of embracing this new

1616
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:43,520
world and trying to help

1617
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:46,079
i think you know people new to this like

1618
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,000
credible mainstream in science

1619
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,119
ease into the topic and try to foster

1620
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:53,680
these relationships a lot just went like

1621
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,319
hey this is

1622
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,280
ours and i'm just going to roll all this

1623
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,960
into my world view

1624
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,880
and a lot of the commun ufo community

1625
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:03,119
have this idea this is kind of a trickle

1626
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:06,640
disclosure and this is leading to

1627
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:09,040
you know the roswell aliens and

1628
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:10,720
everything being exposed

1629
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:13,599
none of which we have uh one iota i

1630
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,240
think of

1631
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,160
well i shouldn't say one iota i should

1632
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:17,920
say we don't really have

1633
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:20,720
any strong evidence towards that we do

1634
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,520
have

1635
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,680
some very fringe perspectives from

1636
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:24,799
people like

1637
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:27,760
tom delong and eric davis who are part

1638
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:28,799
of this group

1639
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,880
but you know um just because they

1640
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,920
believe

1641
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:33,760
something doesn't mean that this is

1642
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:34,960
something that the government

1643
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:38,000
is is actively working towards and we

1644
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,520
don't have any indication of

1645
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:41,760
any of that stuff so i i i kind of got

1646
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:42,640
disappointed

1647
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,760
um but then when i stopped doing stuff

1648
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:48,160
and i also was potentially going to get

1649
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:48,960
hired by two

1650
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,160
stars so i didn't want to like uh write

1651
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,160
about to the stars meanwhile

1652
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:56,240
you know i could possibly be getting

1653
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,240
hired by them in fact if it wasn't

1654
00:57:01,349 --> 00:57:00,160
supposedly if it wasn't for the pandemic

1655
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:01,359
i'd be working there but

1656
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:04,400
i don't know i'm regardless hey we would

1657
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,119
all

1658
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:06,880
kill for that opportunity but you know

1659
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,359
what no you know the future is

1660
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:11,119
bright there's a reason we're all still

1661
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:12,799
here so i'm still pulling for you

1662
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:13,520
brother

1663
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,000
yeah so but i saw that you know this

1664
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:17,760
credible arena had been left

1665
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,200
open uh somewhat specifically on

1666
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:23,359
this area the more you know credible

1667
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:25,599
mainstream so i came back

1668
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:28,480
and uh i also you know it was hard to

1669
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:29,119
afford

1670
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,240
all of this stuff there's

1671
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,880
you know equipment tech i've got to pay

1672
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,839
you know 50

1673
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,359
a month just to keep the website up but

1674
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,880
which is a good thing in a way because

1675
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:40,559
it's a very popular website

1676
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:43,599
so uh i came back and i decided i'm

1677
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:44,559
going to put my

1678
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,920
my interviews and analysis and behind a

1679
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:50,000
paywall which is very cheap it cost very

1680
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:50,799
little

1681
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,760
and and i've been fortunate enough when

1682
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:55,440
i did come back there were a lot of

1683
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,480
people who i interacted with who wanted

1684
00:58:01,589 --> 00:58:00,400
to to talk with me and get some

1685
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,599
information out

1686
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:04,079
and so i have been really fortunate with

1687
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,920
my relationships you know for with

1688
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:08,000
people like brian bender

1689
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,920
chris mellon i was able to get an

1690
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:11,440
interview with and i don't think the ufo

1691
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,960
community anybody has gotten an

1692
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:14,480
interview with chris mellon in a long

1693
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:15,599
time

1694
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:18,400
lou elizondo luckily i have contact with

1695
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,119
and i

1696
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:21,520
got to do an interview with him recently

1697
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,400
and and i

1698
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:24,400
am in fairly regular contact i can't

1699
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:26,559
always get information on the record for

1700
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:27,119
him

1701
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:29,359
well actually these days i can more but

1702
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:30,480
you know sometimes it

1703
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,040
depending on what's going on at the time

1704
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:35,040
information is more readily available

1705
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:35,440
than

1706
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:38,880
others yeah so luckily uh i've i've got

1707
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:41,680
access to a lot of these main players

1708
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:45,280
uh and you know we're tackling this at

1709
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:48,319
the level of you know hopefully what you

1710
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:48,640
would

1711
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:52,559
see you know washington insider type of

1712
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:53,520
perspective

1713
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:56,000
what's really going on what's the buzz

1714
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:56,799
this stuff is

1715
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:00,480
so complicated when it comes to policy

1716
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:03,760
and regulations and laws and some of the

1717
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,000
other

1718
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,480
people i interview like john alexander

1719
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:07,920
or adam kehoe

1720
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:09,680
a guy who's now blogging about this

1721
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:12,640
who's you know focuses on policy and

1722
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:14,000
government policy

1723
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:17,040
um steve mcdaniel from sky hub who

1724
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,720
who has a background in naval

1725
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:20,880
intelligence tim mcmillan who's got a

1726
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:22,240
background in intelligence

1727
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,920
mj banayas a lot of people you're

1728
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:25,920
talking to too you know uh

1729
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:28,319
but really focusing on all of these

1730
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:29,920
topics and kind of putting our heads

1731
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:30,720
together

1732
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:33,599
to figure all of this out so yeah so

1733
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,280
that's what the rojas report is about

1734
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,599
i'm still doing my podcast in fact oh

1735
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:39,839
in like an hour here i'll be uh

1736
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:41,920
recording it live on on youtube

1737
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:44,079
but uh that's much shorter where i just

1738
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,599
kind of review the news of the week and

1739
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:47,440
then tell them about the rojas reports

1740
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:48,799
i've got out there

1741
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,079
um so yeah that's the new world uh i'm

1742
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:54,640
kind of working in and i had a lot of

1743
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:55,200
friends

1744
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:58,400
like richard dolan and and even lou

1745
01:00:01,430 --> 01:00:00,079
and some others who are like you got to

1746
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:01,440
keep doing this you got to keep doing

1747
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,160
this yeah

1748
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,160
and that felt really good and a lot of

1749
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:06,160
my audience you know like where are you

1750
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:08,240
going to come back and so

1751
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:10,400
that felt really good to have that and i

1752
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,599
did notice and

1753
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:13,040
you know i think this is something that

1754
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:15,200
we all need to remember

1755
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,359
all of us and i know for a fact you

1756
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:19,200
experienced this we've got a lot of

1757
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,319
people coming out it's really negative

1758
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:24,480
um they want us to believe what they

1759
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:25,359
believe

1760
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,520
you know and if we don't then we're evil

1761
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:28,880
and and awful and

1762
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:32,240
and and they express that in

1763
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:35,280
the worst ways that they could yeah and

1764
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:36,880
that could that can affect you

1765
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,240
but the reality is there are and we know

1766
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:42,400
this by the numbers your show my show

1767
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:43,040
you know

1768
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,799
you look at the numbers there are

1769
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:46,720
thousands of people out there

1770
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,160
who are just quietly observing who

1771
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:52,400
really appreciate the type of thing we

1772
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:53,200
do right

1773
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:55,760
and it's hard to remember that when

1774
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:56,400
they're

1775
01:01:03,109 --> 01:00:59,839
there

1776
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:03,119
every week every day you know they're

1777
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:05,440
always there enjoying that um what we're

1778
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:06,319
putting out there

1779
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,720
and that's that's really inspiring and

1780
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:10,079
it's something i think we always have to

1781
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,880
remember

1782
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,119
absolutely and you know you make a good

1783
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,280
point it is the ones who don't

1784
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:17,119
reach out and who are listening every

1785
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,880
week that truly support you

1786
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,960
whether it's through you know your your

1787
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:22,160
patreons or

1788
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:24,799
things like that and it's the most vocal

1789
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,480
ones who are usually the mean

1790
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:28,880
people so i think that's a really good

1791
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:29,520
point for

1792
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:31,760
but for every one of them there's a

1793
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:32,960
hundred amazing

1794
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:35,440
supportive people i am a member of your

1795
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:37,599
patreon i love everything you do

1796
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:39,520
i love getting the updates every week on

1797
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,799
the ufo news

1798
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,480
and look man i don't i don't bring

1799
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,480
people on to promote things

1800
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,559
that often and the reason i do it with

1801
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:48,319
you is because i truly believe in the

1802
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,880
work

1803
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,720
that you and karen do i believe in

1804
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:52,319
everything you've done for the ufo

1805
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:53,680
journalism world

1806
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:56,640
and i can't wait to see what comes next

1807
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,039
but

1808
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,119
tell us give us the links where can we

1809
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,720
register for the congress

1810
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:02,400
and where can we find everything you're

1811
01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:03,839
up to personally as well

1812
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:06,319
and i do want to thank you i'm a patreon

1813
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:07,280
follower of yours

1814
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,400
as well a proud happy one so uh but

1815
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:12,559
yeah uh patreon you can find me on

1816
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:14,079
patreon of course by looking for

1817
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:16,160
alejandro rojas because really

1818
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,839
put up everything i put up there because

1819
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:19,680
uh i haven't done a den of geek in a

1820
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:21,680
while i was doing a lot of ufo stuff for

1821
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:22,480
den of geek

1822
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:25,599
um not too long ago and those went

1823
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:28,400
really well but uh i should have some

1824
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:28,960
pieces

1825
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:31,440
again which something i love on space

1826
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:32,720
unlike nasa

1827
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:35,920
and some other types of things that way

1828
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:38,799
but uh really if you want to find all my

1829
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:39,280
stuff

1830
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:42,559
you openminds tv openminds.tv

1831
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:44,160
is where you find my ufo stuff and you

1832
01:02:49,549 --> 01:02:46,079
can find the congress

1833
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,559
there and at ufocongress.com so

1834
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:51,680
ufocongress.com is everything about the

1835
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:53,680
international ufo congress

1836
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:56,480
go there now um check our social media

1837
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:58,000
for discount codes

1838
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,760
uh if i could remember one i would tell

1839
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:01,280
you but we've gotten posted on our

1840
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:02,480
social media

1841
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,319
and we've been doing you know rolling

1842
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:06,799
discount codes on on social media

1843
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,440
so definitely go check those out and

1844
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:11,280
join us at the ufo congress it's going

1845
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,720
to be a lot of fun and like i said get

1846
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:14,160
your tickets as soon as possible

1847
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:16,079
and and so that's a lot of fun and then

1848
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:17,760
of course i am writing for den of geek

1849
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:18,160
and

1850
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,680
i've got some other exciting projects

1851
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:21,280
writing projects in

1852
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:24,319
the uh that i'm working on

1853
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,480
um so i should have some really cool

1854
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:28,400
bylines coming up here and i'm excited

1855
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:29,200
about that

1856
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:30,960
i guess i should explain that by lines

1857
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:32,240
mean a credit

1858
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:35,280
so i should be writing for uh an outlet

1859
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:36,640
or two that's gonna be

1860
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:39,280
uh i'm excited about yeah so that's

1861
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:40,480
everything going on

1862
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:42,559
it's fast and furious and then at the

1863
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:44,079
same time i'm also doing

1864
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:47,760
mortgages if anybody needs to refinance

1865
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:50,160
get a hold of me you are a man on the

1866
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:52,880
move you wear a million hats i love it

1867
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:53,359
man

1868
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:55,119
i don't know when you sleep but i know

1869
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,880
you're not going to be sleeping at all

1870
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,960
this upcoming week with the congress so

1871
01:04:01,829 --> 01:04:00,319
again alejandro

1872
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:01,839
i have to thank you for coming on

1873
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,000
everyone go register right now

1874
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:06,480
and uh thank you so much for joining me

1875
01:04:13,550 --> 01:04:08,559
again on somewhere in the skies

1876
01:04:30,220 --> 01:04:13,560
my pleasure thank you so much

1877
01:04:31,340 --> 01:04:30,230
[Music]

1878
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:31,350
[Applause]

1879
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:53,280
[Music]

1880
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:55,200
somewhere in the skies is produced by

1881
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,480
third kind productions